3.) 750-850fps. And if youre doing that with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. 10,870. 38 spl.s. Wife handled it with no problem, those 5 Super Vel had been in the gun probably over 5 years by then, she bought it to CARRY, not to shoot, if she needed to fire it to save her life it would be fine. Hollow points are not. I get okay accuracy with 4.4 of W-W 231 and 125s, depending on what bullet is used. (This is prevalent among most aftermarket designs- they are smallest in the longest, strongest finger area, and largest at the bottom pinkie area.). .38 Special Montana Gold 125 FMJ Power Pistol 6.1 COL 1.417 Tested with a S&W-686-3, 6", ambient temperature about 32 degrees, no wind, target posted at 25 feet (hey, I'm testing handloads for use, not my long range bear killing skills, defensive only). Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? Go figure. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. 3.7gr WST with Zero 158 SWC did the job for me. Using higher pressure loads will wear brass out faster and it will become brittle with time. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. So . The best part about this is that not only do you never really lose your fired cases, but you they are always in great condition. Initially I shot them out of my Dads prized Smith & Wesson 686 and learned a great deal about double-action shooting and what a truly accurate handgun can do with a wadcutter. There seems to be a dearth of information using WST powder for the 38 Spl cartridge. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. i use a Lee mold 150 round nose with 4 grains of bullseye crimped into the crimp groove of the bullet. Be careful !!!! 2, No. But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. So it is my gut feeling that Winchester found it to be touchy in smaller calibers like 38 special and 9mm Luger. At 25 you can get away with a lighter load. are you loading .38 special brass, or .357 magnum brass? Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. They are true classics, and I hope you get as much use out of them! I thought the DR program was NRA, not CMP. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. I'd imagine I'm not the first person to use this load, but I have found it is a very sooty/smokey load. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. Great gun. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. I started reloading 38 special as my first cartridge 8 years ago when I was 22, soooo.I have an old mans soul? So, I'm guessing the pressure curve isn't as severe as some of the faster burners. The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. Most of these are at the upper end. Handload: 158 grain round nose lead /3.8 grains Bullseye MV 775 fps ME 210 ft./lbs. This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. The 36s greater weight makes it much easier to shoot than the 638. That sounds. On my J frame S&W without the CT #305 Laser Grips, I swapped out to a Hoque set. Depends on what kind of load you're after. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. Note: More and more test are conducted with all rounds fired with powder UP against the primer for each shot, or DOWN on the bullet for each shot, then gently bring to horizontal to shoot. Here is the dillema: The Lyman manual says starting load is 3.2 grains and MAX. Ive also switched from lead to Berrys Preferred copper plated bullets. Reading the "WARNING" on the site, it states to not exceed the loads published and to start 10% below the loads shown and work up from there. Love my 642 for concealed carry, but have an SP101 (also a snubby) in .38 special (only) for use on the range. Does anyone have any luck with Jacked Bullets. accuracy. Generally, I'm looking for a load that produces accuracy from approx. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Unlike the author, I did *not* keep records, I cant even imagine how many rounds I loaded, almost 100% .357 magnum, since that was all I shot. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. What overal length of the cartridge? For any loads over 900-1,000 FPS, I suggest using a jacketed bullet. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. I load my 38 target ammo to 3.5 grainsand my self defense 38 to 3.8 grains, when using 158 grain bullets (and Bullseye). Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. Beginners to shooting can use a full size revolver or their carry gun with light to mild loads to become confident and familiar with marksmanship and trigger control. Most DNR (Do Not Reduce) loads are well over 900-fps. Each of the classic loads is also economical. Zero 158 grain swaged SWC, Starline brass, Winchester or Federal primer, 2.8 grains of Bullseye, roll crimp. I shoot almost exclusively cast lead from my handguns. This load chugs downrange at 750 feet each second and functions standard recoil springs with no issue. Speer .38 shot cup, 5 grains of UNIQUE, and (3) #1 Buckshot pellets dates back to the 70s as a Junk Yard Dog load. But this piece isnt about the gun, but rather the cartridge. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. I meant to say NRA. Posted March 2, 2013. Others Have reported some success but few have more than one or two loads. Speer shows 3.9 to 4.5 grains for a double end lead wadcutter but I'm thinking that may be a little strong for a plated bullet. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. Word to the wise: all handgun cartridges (with the likely exception of .44 Magnum and maybe even .357 Magnum) are underpowered for self-defense. Or does the CMP make the rules for DR, and the NRA admins it? I use CCI Snake shot for two and Buffalo Bore short Barrel 130 gr. I have read some posts online from people who claim that it makes no difference whether the bullets are swaged or cast; and they can be loaded to the same velocity, but the swaged bullets will lead up a barrel faster because the lead is softer. The cartridge offers a great deal of zest and has thousands of possible load combinations. ( customer reviews) $ 10.69 - $ 246.00. Unlike many other guns Ive owned and carried, this little snubby really cant be modified much beyond factory configuration. I use 2.8-3.0 grains of Bullseye or AA#2 with 158 gr. Also compared a S&W 638 to the S&W 36. I soon traded off a Colt Frontier Scout .22 LR for an S&W Model 15 and happily chased all manner of small game and landfill targets with my stash of wadcutters. They are reliable accurate and deadly. I use 3.2 gr Bullseye to push a 125 gr cast along at 750 - 775 fps in the 38 SPL from 5 and 6" barreled revolvers. Last time we took it to the range, I was trying to cycle the old +P ammo to load standard Lehigh ammo, I fired one shot, put the gun down and cursed while shaking my hand. hebyta I completely understand the respect for the performance of the 327 Fed, but not being a big fan of the 357 Mag (or 38 SPL plus P for that matter) I havent been drawn to the 327. Great to get the Mrs out there! Then duplicate with reloads for practice. This Cast Reloading Bullet feeds great in automatics and has excellent accuracy in both the 9mm and 38 Super. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. Load shot well out of a variety of service handguns. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. I don't have a chronograph, but have considered picking one up. rattlesnake of a revolver made me bleed. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! 11/2/2022. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? ES 27 SD 12 Independence 130 grain FMJ round nose MV 892 fps ME 230 ft./lbs. less to start.) Normal 38 spell loads for as long as I can remember were never loaded less than 800FPS and I have loaded for revolvers and autos such as my S&W mod 52 that only shoots flush wadcutters. This load is in the general velocity bracket with most generic or bulk box 115-grain loads and zings over my chronograph at 1,125 to 1,140 fps from a Glock 17, depending on bullet style. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Below, are three loaded rounds. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. The load you use will be up to your gun. want me to write up an article about 3d printed .38 special bullets that Ive been working? Ready to load some Berry's148 gr plated DE wadcutters with Bullseye. I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I havent shot too many full house Casull loads, but I get a huge grin when shooting my reduced loads of 7.5grs of Trail Boss under a Cast Performance 360gr WLFN. it seems awful confusing, but with time you will be able to interpolate the published data into something that will give you good starting points to work up your loads. Shoot cast and coated bullets and you can go much higher in load and velocity. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. Use data for weight. )Lastly, the .38 SPL has a very large following and materials can be had readily. There have been guns Ive bought for the caliber, but the .38 wasnt one of those. Home About Partners Contact. Does anyone have any data. Damn. WC, 158 gr. Stylish But Serious: Kimber Super Carry Pro, Survival Savvy: Gearing Up for the Next Level, Force Multiplier: Knife and Gun Integration. Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. I load it almost exclusively though with either a powder coated or plated 125 grn bullet. A circa 1918 Colt gobbled them up, as did several other 1911s that can be particular about bullet profile. 38 Special Loads for Bullseye by GerhardG Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:01 am Greetings, Looking for load suggestions for 38 special LSWC 158 grain SNS bullets, red coated based on the following powders; Bullseye, Unique, N310 and N320. The Internet Pedant I here from quite a few that 3.5 gr of bullseye is a good load for 158 gr lead Bullets for bullseye shooting. * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. Hehe, back before Nick skimmed down. Jacketed bullets are not legal for Distinguished Revolver. My grandkids think Im pulling their leg, when I tell them about the freedoms that NIMBYs took away. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. Accurate, powder-puff recoil, and serious power all in one. In several of the guns, the old standby couldnt quite duplicate the level of precision they exhibit with current production wadcutters from Black Hills or Winchester, but in each case, the load shot close to or right on the sights and nearly held the X ring. Is it more bulky? The plated bullets feed nicely through my bullet feeder. 9 mm, .40 sw, 45 acp, .44 mag. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. Load cut these cards at five yards out of this Model 15. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. To many shooters, .45 ACP means 230-grain hardball at 830 fps. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. Reloading supplies and load recipes are available everywhere. Bullseye and NRA Distinguished Revolver I was just trying to get a general consensus of what other guys were using. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. I, like Spartacus, find the SAAMI recommendations an interesting spec for comparative purposes. was a breeze. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. Bullseye is the best powder I have found for 38 special. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. 2) Ammo that would work in the Air Force's Air Crewman Colt's and Smith and Wesson revolvers that had weak alloy cylinders. Thanks very much to LarryinTX for that! Forget about it. In one or two strokes, the bullet is formed ready for dip lubing. That little 9 oz. What are YOU shooting? Recoil is subjective and I feel no difference between that and an 750-775 fps load. Components add up to far less than even generic grade factory ammo. Bonus is that dont need magnum Primers for these reloads. 5 are good choices. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Times across steel plate racks and many of my standard drills with the 200-grain SWCs rival my best easy-shooting 9mm results. You can post now and register later. No benchrest, nothing but two shakey hands holding the pistol. Jacketed bullets are legal for DR, as long as they are 158 grain round nose or semi-wadcutter. 2.7 GR WST IS TOO LIGHT FOR THE 50 YD LINE. The Charter Arms .44 models are potential CCWs, but are too light to properly handle the .44 spl. Now theres an old memory. It is less of an issue on a progressive press, but still requires attention. BTW, I wish I had any one of those three revolvers today. 9.) It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. Honestly, plated bullets won't give you the level of accuracy needed for bullseye competition, even at 25 yards. Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. Here's what the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook says for cast 125g flatpoint for 38 in the powders you mentioned. For 3 that actually doesnt kick too badly. JHP (now discontinued) 5 rounds . 2.) Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. .38 Special is a lot more comfortable in a service size revolver like my Model 10. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. I've been reading about this. L6: 1.550 inch = 39.37 mm Barrel Length : 2.0 inch = 50.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon HP38 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. We've got some great loads for 158 coated and plated semi wadcutters, and we're trying something new. Ideal load in a 2 J Frame .38. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max) Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max) 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max) These are out of a 5.5 inch barrel Edited June 25, 2016 by jschweg Dr. Phil Classifieds 712 I recently bought trail boss and it runs fine out of my 14-3. This too is useful information. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. My best group was .9 inch out of a Model 15. 3 1/2" average not included flyers which seem to happen on every group test. And, oh yeah. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. The majority of my shooting with .38 has taken place with soft lead bullets. Nitpicking is its own reward., I believe the correct spelling is loathe . Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. A GI surplus 1911 that puts most loads into dinner-plate sized groups cut 3.8 inches with the classic recipewhich is probably the only time Ive gotten excited about an almost four-inch group! You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. I have the shrouded hammer version, the 638, and have been wary of training much with it because of its aluminum frame. The floor does not apply for PPC, or the equivalent match for Action Pistol. A 158 SWCHP at 850-875 fps from a snub. On 7/4/2018 at 11:57 AM, Bill Sahlberg said: There is nothing more accurate at PPC than 148 gr8 HBWC (lead) using 2.8 gr of 231 and a tight crimp with Starline 38 Special brass & a Federal Small pistol primer. LOL. I go with the cheap and easy shake and bake technique that requires only plastic Glad container with a lid, handful of black 6mm BBs and old toaster owen. 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. These are put into a large hydraulic press and extruded into a continuous coil of wire. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. Winchester's 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q Bullseye or Titegroup cover 90% or more of my .38 Special loadings. Hi. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. I did find a 145 grain Lead HP with a rounded ogive (like the last NyClad) on Gunbroker that opens really well if you get above 800 fps. These grips seem quite comfortable and afford a pinkie finger rest for improved control albeit with a certain loss of concealability. I don't know what bullets you have, but Berry's recommends per their website to use hard cast data for their plated bullets. Just an FYI. 6.) in a belt holster at 4:00. So I expect recoil would be substantial and not very target-ish. A handgunner using .38 Specials is set for targets, plinking and small game while .357 Mag. The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. head I use 3.2gr. I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. A gun on you always works better than the gun left at home. Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. The 9mm produces about 35,000 psi, Im also impressed by the apparent durability of your Airweight J-frame. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? But for plinking, they'd be fine. Load it like Trail Boss. Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time.
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